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Tuesday, 05 June 2007

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John Frum

Undoubtedly that is an important point that is always worth teaching. However, we must be equally as aware of those who employ the increasingly common techniques of "teaching the controversy" or manufacturing doubt and undermining one piece of evidence offered in support of a much more complex argument/policy.

The classic example is smoking and lung cancer: undermine the statistical certainty and/or lack of causality [by definition inherent] in one epidemiological study and voila - smoking doesn't cause cancer.

This is an extreme example, but my point is this: examining evidence critically within the proper context is unremarkably proper, and if this was the only line of evidence offered to support a broader argument, then we would be justified in drawing conclusions about its validity based solely on the weakness in this evidence; however, this artifically narrow context is rarely - if ever - applicable.

Thus, to over-generalize as you and Mr. Tierney did [and basically skip over the rest of a complex multifactored analysis] and make assertions about the validity of a broader policy iniative based solely on the weakness of one line of evidence offered by one person in support of said intitiative is simple logically fallacious reasoning.

This is unfortunately a very common human fallacy often employed by those seeking to manipulate public opinion on a variety of topics. As much as weak evidentiary analysis should be called out and addressed anywhere it rears its head, such rhetorical and logical obfuscation - wittingly or unwittingly repeated - should not go unchecked.

This lesson is as important as the first, as this argumentative technique is often employed by those trying to label anything they do not agree with as "junk science" (or more commonly not "sound science"). I do not doubt your sincerity or motives (I detest what most would agree as "junk science" myself), but I am seeing more and more of this type of illogical reasoning in the public discourse and it is more than disconcerting.

Tracy Allison Altman

My reason for this post was to make the point that students should be getting more sides of a story: If they're reading Silent Spring, then teachers should also be assigning a counterpoint to it. That way students will learn to weigh conflicting evidence, will begin to appreciate the complexity of many environmental issues, and learn the importance of watching for unintended side effects.

John Frum

Let me first say that I have nothing to say about the flaw's in Ms. Carson's evidence/logic/science.

As you well know, risk (to humans, birds, etc.) is analytically distinct from the benefits in any such evidence-based analysis.

And furthermore, it is logically fallacious to argue that a conclusion/policy is false simply because an argument given in support of it is invalid [or its premiss false].

With this being said, I would merely ask you to explain this broad conclusion (remember: merely pointing out the flaws in Carson's "science" is of no significance):

"As often happens, the abandonment of DDT did more harm in poor nations than it did here in the U.S. 'The human costs have been horrific in the poor countries where malaria returned after DDT spraying was abandoned.'"

Where is the rest of the analysis?

For example: What were the benefits of DDT (and thus the "human costs" of its abandonment)? Since there is ample evidence that factors such as DDT resistance served to prevent eradication more than Carson & the hippies, particularly in the tropics, its strikes me as a very important question, heh?

While I agree that Carson "science" was in many respects flawed, drawing such a conclusion based only on such flaws is just weak logic that seems to muddy what is a very complex multi-factored policy debate.

It would be more than a bit ironic to blindly accept assertions made by one journalist (Tierney) to attack the scientific reasoning of another.

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